Microdosing Shrooms for Maternal Mental Health with Lindsay Roselle EP: 124

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Maranda: 0:02

Depression, anxiety and autoimmune symptoms after birth is not how it’s supposed to be. There is a much better way and I’m here to show you how to do just that. Hey, my friend, Maranda Bower, a mother to four kids and a biology student turned scientist obsessed with changing the world through postpartum care. Join us as we talk to mothers and the providers who serve them and getting evidence-based information that actually supports the mind, body and soul in the years after birth. Hello everyone, welcome to the Postpartum University podcast. Maranda Bower here, and I tell you we are in for a very special treat today. I have Lindsay Roselle. She is a growth and performance coach for high-performing mamas, the host of the Mother Load podcast, and founder and CEO of the Mother Load company. She is also the co-founder of mushroom micro dosing education company called the Inner Alchemy, which is why she is here today. We are going to have this incredible conversation. Her mission is absolutely fabulous. I actually met Lindsay recently on a private mastermind retreat in Austin and we were chatting at lunch about motherhood and all the things. I don’t even know how this happened, but the conversation just went into plant medicine micro dosing mushrooms came up and I was fascinated. I think I told you right there, we have to have you on the podcast. This is a question I get along with cannabis use all the time in reference to postpartum healing. I get this so often. So anyway, welcome to the show, Lindsay, so glad you’re here.

Lindsay: 1:52

Thank you for having me. Yeah, I’m really excited to talk about this. This is all my favorite things coming together in one conversation.

Maranda: 1:59

Yeah, absolutely so. Tell your story. How did you get led to creating this mother load company and into micro dosing?

Lindsay: 2:08

Yeah, so similar genesis to both of them. My background I typical high, achieving, elder, millennial parenting upbringing where it was do your best, you can do anything. Good grades, go to the best college that whole performance-oriented upbringing that I think a lot of us had as millennials. I graduated college early, took a million credits, was super burned out in college, went right into a corporate career and I spent about 10 years working in the energy industry, which was not what my degree was in at all, but it was just the job that I through serendipity landed in when I graduated and so I spent 10 years in my 20s and early 30s in working in the energy industry, which was really male-dominated. I traveled all over the world so I saw I was lucky enough to see entrepreneurship, even though I worked for a large company. I was lucky enough to see entrepreneurship in the role that I had in that business. I was a channel manager, I managed resellers of our products, so I got to see little small businesses all over the world and how they operated, mixed with working for this big giant Fortune 500 company where there was absolutely male-dominated energy. There was definitely glass ceilings, and this was before I had children, but I was already aware that this wasn’t a passion for me to work in this type of setting and that the mothers around me were taking six weeks off and coming right back into work and being thrust right back into the same work hours and travel and all of these things. And it started to dawn on me, that there was no way that I can work in this environment and have the life that I want, like the family I want and the entrepreneurial freedom that I knew was possible. And so I quit that job. When I was I was in 2014, you know and I kind of, when I left my job, people were a lot of people were like you’re crazy, you’re stupid, you know. And I also got a lot of I’m jealous. And it was that I’m jealous energy that I really latched onto of like why are people so feel so stuck in their, in their job? You know, like why, why is it that people won’t leave and go pursue what they want in the world? And you know, this is before I had kids, so I didn’t really understand like, oh, there’s responsibility and all these things, but it kind of thrust me into entrepreneurship with this energy of like, go prove that you don’t need the security and the safety of a corporate job to thrive and that for me, that works. Like that’s. I like that energy. So from about 2015 through 2020, I spent, or up until 2020, I spent. I grew several companies. I had a in person like a brick and mortar yoga studio that I ran with my stepmom. I started a women’s mastermind company and we met regionally here in Colorado, where I live. We did networking events. I’ve hosted over 100 events for women, from 30 people up to 1000 people. Like I love live events. I love in-person connection. I had a yoga studio. I’ve taught yoga for many years, just kind of dabbled in all these different entrepreneurial pursuits. Through that time and in during that time, I met my partner and we got pregnant very quickly. We were only together for less than six months when I got pregnant and in that time, like in that moment when I got pregnant, was just kind of this rush into like okay, well, I guess we’re just going to have the baby, and like we never really talked about what our values were, like how we were going to raise kids, how we were both business owners, like how we were going to set up the organizational system of who works and who doesn’t when the baby needs something, all these things. Like we just had never had all these talks because we got pregnant so early and as we kind of like steamrolled into 2020, his business was growing, my businesses were growing, we had a three-year-old and a six-month-old, or not even a three-year-old, so a two-year-old and a six-month-old in early 2020. And basically, we know the story of what happened in early 2020. And the year 2020 just went from like 2020 vision it’s going to be great, we’re both building these businesses, we’re happy, we have young kids. It was great in early 2020. And then his mom died very rapidly, died of cancer, like quick onset, very rapid demise in early 2020. My dad was also fighting cancer. Then the world shuts down, then we have no childcare, and basically by the end of 2020, my life had completely fallen apart. I mean total rock bottom lost both in-person businesses. He and I were separated. I was essentially a single mom because he was having kind of a Saturn return, dark night of the soul type thing, and basically said I can’t be a parent right now. And hitting rock bottom was really the catalyst into where I’m at now. To look at my life and go. How did I get here? What happened? We can go into what I discovered when I asked myself that question because it was a question I really had never asked myself, like how does someone like me fail because I just didn’t make a habit of failing? And here we are with failed businesses and a failed relationship and all these things that were somewhat caused by external circumstances, obviously, but also were a lot of my own. Lack of alignment had led to the vulnerabilities that made it vulnerable to COVID, and so then I spent 2021 and 2022 rebuilding my identity and really doing deep, deep, deep inner work, getting involved with plant medicine, going to Peru to experience ayahuasca and having an incredibly life-altering experience there, and then bringing mushrooms and psilocybin into that mix, mostly microdosing over, to basically help me integrate what I learned with ayahuasca and really stay in this energy of connectedness. And that, for the last year now, has really been my focus to look at how motherhood and our desires outside of our businesses really affect us as entrepreneurial women and that’s the Genesis of Motherload to really look at. We are under this massive load as entrepreneurial, ambitious women who want to have our identity and go, be big and do the things we wanna do but also be present and devoted to our children, and we live in a culture that puts those two things at odds most of the time. So Motherload is really about that conversation. And then Inner Alchemy and the microdosing company is my answer to the question of like it changed my plant medicine changed my life and you don’t have to go on these big heroic journeys to Peru and take ayahuasca and sit in the jungle and do all the crazy stuff that you hear about. You can microdose this stuff and it has an incredibly impactful influence on your life. And when I started microdosing, it was so underground at black market and like as a mom. I was like I’m buying stuff on the Signal app using weird emojis and I’m having to Venmo people for pizza parties and stuff, and I just was like this feels really sketchy. How do we educate moms like millennials, like educated people who are successful, who aren’t afraid of the legal question? They just want the information. How do we find real solid, reliable education? And a friend of mine here who’s also a mom and an entrepreneur we were having coffee one day and I was like how are you learning about it? She’s like I don’t know, how are you learning about it? I was like I don’t know, like Instagram and all these weird apps and like anecdotes from people, and both of us were like we got to do something about this. So we started Inner Alchemy last fall to really answer the question for people like us, who I’m like I want to learn from someone like me. I don’t want to learn from, like the 70s hippie vibe and I don’t want to learn, from scientific journals that are all about doing it in therapy, taking heroic doses. I want how do I use this stuff in my day-to-day life? To make motherhood easier, relationships easier, self-love and self-care easier and business easier. So that’s where Inner Alchemy came from and, yeah, now they’re both. Both of them are doing really well and I’m like I can’t stop talking about motherhood and entrepreneurship and all that and obviously you know me from that context. And then micro dosing is such a huge part of my life too and I’m such an advocate for it.

Maranda: 10:36

I’m so glad that you’re here and that we’re having this conversation, and I feel like there’s so much to kind of debunk about. Micro dosing and all of the things. This is not something that’s new. It’s been around for thousands and thousands of years and has been used as medicine. It is known as black medicine, and science is finally just kind of catching up and we do have limited information on it, but we’re actually starting this process of studying it and we see the benefits for mental health and I think that’s one of the reasons why we’re seeing this conversation grow when it’s getting out there. We’re noticing it more and people are like what is this? Experiencing it Just as you have and saying, hey, wait a second, this is incredible. This was essential for my healing journey. This was such a beautiful addition to helping me understand who I am, and so I kind of want to debunk and talk about this. What, first off, let’s talk about what is micro dosing? For those of that might be like, what is this?

Lindsay: 11:41

Yeah, so traditionally when we talk about microdosing we’re talking about psychoactive substances, psychedelics, lsd, mdma, psilocybin, mushrooms. There is some microdosing now, some of the other more. I would call them advanced plant medicines, like ayahuasca and iboga. Those microdosing is mostly still being done in clinical settings and studies. But the overarching concept is that with microdosing what you’re doing is you’re taking a sub-perceptual dose of that psychedelic substance to stimulate the brain in some of the same ways that a big heroic dose would, but without the impairment that a heroic dose would give most of us, like the tripping feeling like you’re tripping, which is not a comfortable feeling for many of us and is a stigma that most of us don’t want to address in our lives and is illegal in most places. And so the microdosing practice is the way I like to describe it is like a supplement. You’re using it in a protocol, you’re using it with intention. It’s not this like big journey that you go on, or it’s not something you take in the woods all secretive when you’re camping, that’s the bigger doses are for that Microdosing is truly a practice and it’s something where you bring intention to it and get the benefits without feeling high or feeling impaired, which appeals to a much, much broader group of people than perhaps would be interested in the bigger heroic doses.

Maranda: 13:12

And this is a really interesting conversation because you’re saying we’re talking about microdosing shrooms specifically. And this is a conversation that I think needs to be had, because they’re again demystifying what we’re seeing here and saying that this is not about getting high, this is not about going on a trip or experiencing some radical psychedelic thing, which is kind of a relief for a lot of people who are probably listening into it. But the question then becomes well, what is the benefit If I’m not doing this to have a psychedelic trip, why am I microdosing?

Lindsay: 13:56

Yeah, that’s a great question. I mean I’ll speak more in metaphors and everyday language. There’s also science. You can go read. There’s a lot of brain science. There’s so many millions of dollars being dumped into this industry now, like just in the last year at some of the biggest universities, from venture capital and private donors and all these people who have gone and had incredible life, altering experiences, with bigger doses, and are coming back with their influence and their money into institutions and saying, hey, this stuff changed my life. I want you to be researching it. Like we need to advocate the government to legalize it. I want to know how it worked in my mind to relieve me of my PTSD or my depression or my anxiety. There is so much momentum behind the study of it. So if you want the science, you can go dig into that. Andrew Huberman on the Huberman Lab has done several episodes recently that dig into that and are incredible. But for the layperson who’s like, just help me understand the benefits. So the way I like to describe it is over time, our brains build patterns, right, we have neural pathways in our brain which are essentially the sidewalks that our thoughts take, or our body, our nervous system, our brain, our mind, our consciousness takes to make us survive in the world, to get through our day, to do the things that we need to get done, to explore new things, to have hard conversations, to have easy conversations. We’ve built through our life and built in our identity certain pathways that are comfortable for us because that’s what we’ve always done and that’s how we’ve survived right, and what the big heroic doses will do is rewire all those pathways. In one night you go in and you blast it all open with dopamine and serotonin and visuals and audio and psychedelic experience and it gives you this remarkable shift in how you think and how those neural pathways are mapped. Well, like you said, most of us many of us, myself included it’s not like those journeys are fun. Most of the time they’re not fun or they cannot be fun. Right, you can have experiences that feel heavy or are dark and they require a lot of integration and that’s just not practical for how most of us go through our lives regularly. But we can take the benefit of how that goes into the mind and kind of blows open the pathways and asks your brain to go hey, let’s think about this differently and you can come into the daily practice of microdosing and go hey, like that thing that you’re anxious about, let’s add a little bit of psilocybin that’s my medicine, you know or LSD or all these other ones, and let’s put a little intention behind exploring where that anxiety is coming from. Let’s put some intention behind exploring where this depression is coming from. Let’s look at your ADHD or your ADD and go why do we struggle to focus? What’s distracting you? Let’s look at your PTSD, like all these. That’s kind of the surface level main reason, main benefit that you can come in and look at stuff that’s really clearly defined and go. I want to be curious about this and I want to rewire why this thing triggers depression, why this thing triggers anxiety, why this thing triggers lack of focus. So the medicine can come in and subperceptually rewire some of those neural pathways without you needing to feel the big, you know psychedelic experience. So the top-level benefit in my mind is it gives you the ability to put intention behind some of the habitual thinking that leads to those outcomes like anxiety, depression, ADHD, that stuff, and gives your brain a little bit of medicine to go hey, what if we thought about this differently? So in that sense, it’s not a curative, like you’re not going to take mushrooms and not have anxiety anymore. But it is additive in the sense that if you’re already trying to address your anxiety, you’re already trying to address your depression and you’re doing that with other modalities and you add the micro dosing in, you can really take a big jump forward because it will help rewire some of that neural pathway stuff. The secondary two benefits, like second and tertiary benefits that I think are the deeper ones are this enhanced sense of creativity and connection, where the micro dose, just like it would in a bigger dose, those chemicals come into your brain and they open your mind a little bit and they change the serotonin balance and they give you this sense of curiosity about creating things. And for me, on a micro dosing day, that’s like the colors are just a little bit richer, I feel a little bit more connected to my art and my creativity and I feel a little more of an impulse to create things, like I don’t self edit as much, and I think that’s a really powerful thing that micro dosing can bring. It cuts a little bit of that edge we have around caring what people think you know, and so you can get into the creative flow a little bit more, because you’re like I’m not gonna edit this, I’m not gonna say this isn’t good, I’m just gonna go with it, I’m gonna create. So creativity is a big benefit you get from micro dosing that I think people that may not be the thing that sells them on it, but it’s the thing that keeps them micro dosing Cause they’re like oh man, I feel so creative, I feel so connected, like I just feel like myself without this like filter of what people think.

Maranda: 19:23

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Lindsay: 19:51

And then the third level, which I think is the most profound and you know it’s one of those, like you know it once you’ve been there feelings is is it really to me? It cuts deep into compassion and when I’m since I’ve been micro dosing and especially as a mother, I, have this deep sense of compassion and empathy for people and this awareness of how connected we all are that I never had before and I, like you know, without going deeply into my background, I’m probably similar to a lot of people where I was raised to be a performer and an achiever which didn’t leave a lot of room for being an empath. You know, it was like just get shit done, Lindsay, go, go, be the best at stuff, and it was hard for me to like get quiet with people and be with people and their emotions and like really care about other people, because I was so focused on my own achievement. And micro dosing has really coupled with motherhood, you know, but micro dosing practice has really made me feel empathy and connectedness at a level that I don’t think I ever would have gotten in touch with had I not been in this medicine. And again, that’s one of those things where I don’t feel like people like if you tried to sell someone the medicine for that purpose. That’s not a selling point for most of us. But it’s one of those things that once you take it and you are aware you’re awake to that, you’re like, That’s the reason I do it. For me that’s it.  I’ve worked through the anxiety, I’ve worked through the ADHD. You know I understand how to kind of trigger my creativity and that stuff now and a lot of that for me comes from being in alignment. But the thing I keep coming back to micro dosing for is this feeling of connectedness and oneness and like love for people. That is not innate in me and I feel like the medicine has opened that up and as it makes me a better mother, it makes me a better partner, it makes me a better, you know, mentor and coach and peer and groups like we’re in together, where I can really feel what you’re feeling and what you’re going through and have genuine compassion for you. And I don’t think, for me at least, that that was part of my personality before. That’s beautiful.

Maranda: 22:00

That’s absolutely beautiful. And we’re all moms here, right? Most of us are listening in who are moms or even professionals as moms, and that’s a huge component of our journey is learning, if we’re not naturally that person, learning how to be that person. That was not a part of who I was either, and I actually think that maybe in childhood it once was. But then you know childhood, things happen and then you get suppressed and then you block it out and you try really hard not to get in touch with those feelings because they’re too much. So a lot of us experienced that, and I see that often in the people that I work with as well. You know, one of the questions that pops up for a lot of us moms is is this safe? Obviously, I’m not gonna get you know. I can do my day to day things. Obviously, right, we were talking about this, we answered that. But what about breastfeeding? Is this something safe that I could do with breastfeeding?

Lindsay: 22:59

Yeah, yeah. So safety is a big question and I think there’s two facets to it. One is where you’re sourcing it from, is the first question of overarching safety.  If you’re going to experiment or test this, if you’re curious and you want to start before I can get down into like, is it safe for all these? In these circumstances, like, the number one thing is where are you getting it from? Because the market is blowing up. There’s a big gray market for it. It’s decriminalized in some places and not in others, and you could grow your own mushrooms and be pretty safe with them, but then microdosing them and the exact quantity is fairly hard to figure out. But all that is to say, safe sourcing disclaimer you absolutely need to know where you’re getting them from if you’re going to take them. Now, safety, in general, yeah, you know if you’re truly taking a microdose and you do the work to get started in the way that people that sell mushrooms for microdosing who are educated, teach you where you start really low and you work your dosage up and you kind of find your sweet spot. You’re safe to take it from a lifestyle standpoint. It’s not going to impair your driving, you’re not going to feel high. In fact, if you feel it, you really like, if you actively feel it and you’re getting it a little bit of visuals or you’re feeling a little woozy, you’ve taken too much. That’s not sub-perceptual, right we really want to be in the sub-perceptual zone where you feel like you might feel a slight lift, you might feel a little activated, but you don’t get any kind of like anything that twerks a little bit of anxiety, right where you’re like whoa, I feel off, like that’s not sub-perceptual. So from a safety standpoint, if you have safely sourced it, you’re taking the right dose and you are truly sub-perceptual. You’re safe to go about your daily life. No one would know, you’re not going to act differently, you’re not going to be high, you can drive. All of that. Now specific to mothers. So a lot of the questions I get yeah, breastfeeding, pregnancy, and breastfeeding. So obviously there’s no research. So all of this is anecdotal story. My opinion no one has that I know of has conducted a study on pregnant or breastfeeding women taking psilocybin. I know many, many women who took it during pregnancy in small doses and during breastfeeding in small doses because their alternative was an SSRI and they felt very strongly that they would rather medicate with a small dose of psilocybin and take whatever risk there may be with that over the very well known risks of most SSRIs during pregnancy or breastfeeding and how those affect the baby. So I’m not a doctor, a psychiatrist. If you’re on an SSRI or any kind of medication for mental health issues, obviously that’s between you and your doctor. But the anecdotes I have are I chose to take psilocybin, microdosing, instead of one of the pharmaceutical medications for depression or anxiety because of their known side effects. There are also lots and lots of like studying plant medicine and studying the lineage of a lot of medicine, as you mentioned, goes back thousands of years. And if you look at Indigenous tribes like I was in Peru with a shaman who was 11th generation and we were deep in the Amazon for my ayahuasca journey and he was telling us about how he started doing ayahuasca when he was nine and like to be trained to be a shaman, and how they give ayahuasca. Pregnant mothers in his tribe will ingest ayahuasca during their pregnancy. To clear the spirits and bring in the spirit of the baby. There are so many tribal Indigenous traditions with all these different plant medicines where I think you’d be hard sought to find anyone in like the lineage of these medicines that would say they never gave it to a pregnant woman or they didn’t, women weren’t weren’t taking these medicines during postpartum or while they were breastfeeding, like I think that that is really baked into many, many of the Indigenous cultures that have used these medicines for a long time. And you know, we live in America. We’ve gotten very far away from trusting our bodies and trusting our intuition over what a doctor says or what the pharmaceutical industry says. But I would say personally, I didn’t find plant medicine when I was pregnant or breastfeeding, so I didn’t make this personal choice. But if it were me now and I were to get pregnant again, I would absolutely take the microdosing supplement over Adderall or Ritalin for my ADHD or an SSRI for anxiety or depression, based on what I know of the known side effects myself and what I know of plant medicine and my own intuitive connection to it. Again disclaimer, I’m not a Dr or psychiatrist. I don’t advocate for people to get off of their medications if they’re on them during pregnancy. If it’s helping you survive and make it through postpartum, stay on it, please. And I think that this is a growing space where there’s so much information coming out and so much curiosity for women especially those who are struggling in postpartum and are struggling up to pregnancy and not wanting to get off their meds in order to get pregnant, and this is a way to I think we’ll see this grow in future years where these medicines are ways for you to continue to address your mental health without having to worry about side effects with a baby so much as you do with the pharmaceuticals.

Maranda: 28:33

I appreciate this conversation so much and I know that it’s going to be helpful. So so many people who are listening in and, as you said, there is a specific way to do this. You can’t just go out and try dosing yourself or sourcing even yourself. That can be really dangerous. Where do people go to get more information on how to get started, where to find good quality and where to just research and understand this a little bit more? I know you have a wealth of information.

Lindsay: 29:04

Yeah, I talk about it a lot on my personal stuff, but in Inner Alchemy so the company that I have with my business partner, Rachel, we built a whole course. It’s $97 and I’ll give you a code, Maranda, so you could put it in here for a discount code for it and we poured everything we’ve learned into this self-paced course. It’s really easy to consume, it’s a great place to start and we also are very generous sharing other resources, because you know we’re not experts on all of it, and so there’s we also link out to many other companies and institutions, nonprofits, that are doing really deep work in this space. So Third Wave is a great company that has tons and tons of information about micro dosing. There’s many accounts that we link to on our Instagram the inter alchemy Instagram that are education accounts that exist on Instagram. If so, if you’re somebody that likes to, you know, read a post and get a little dose of information there. That’s a lot of how I learn the stuff too. But you know there’s there’s places to learn. Inter alchemy is a great place to start and I can also refer you, if you have specific questions, to specific educators. Sourcing is a whole other situation we have through inter alchemy. We have a brand that we know and recommend and they ship everywhere in the US. So if that’s something that you’re willing to do, you can definitely look them up. It’s all on inter alchemy’s Instagram linked there. And you know the legality question always comes up with sourcing, and I’ll touch on it just briefly in that, similar to cannabis and I live in Colorado, so you know Colorado paved the way for marijuana legalization. It’s fully legal here. You can walk down the street by anything you want, in any quantity, and nobody’s going to give you any question, right? Still, a Saibon is a Schedule 1 drug, just like meth or fentanyl, according to the federal government. Still at this point Now, many states, including Colorado, have already done this or are rapidly moving in the direction of decriminalization, which is essentially the first stage of saying it’s legal. It’s the same thing they did with marijuana they decriminalized it. First, it was controlled in therapeutic or medicinal settings, but most people could still get it fairly readily and within a year or two it went to full legalization. Everything that we’re seeing and I’m, again, not a legal expert, but everything I know from all my advisors is that it is moving in the direction of legalization and so if you’re in a decriminalized area, you will not get in trouble for using it. You will not get in trouble for growing it, sharing it, all of that. If you are not in a decriminalized area, it’s at your own risk, you know, and that’s kind of how we have to approach it. But I think, as natural medicine, people and people who are really body aware, like postpartum mamas I think we’re at this place in our culture where at least I’m pretty cavalier about this, where it’s like I’m going to take the risk every day and I’m going to die on the mountain of like take the risk from a legal standpoint just to help yourself To. If the medicine is calling you and you think it could benefit you and you’ve evaluated it for yourself and your intuition says yes, this is a fit for me. I just find it hard to believe that, like the government, who has all these bigger problems, is going to come after some moms who are using a little bit of mushrooms and imperceptible amounts to help them have better mental health, feel better from their day to day life, have stronger relationships, be better parents, show up as, like, more connected humans in the world. I just don’t see a downside to that. So Inner Alchemy is a great place to go to get all the answers to these questions for sure, and then if you just DM us there, you DM me directly. I can help with specific questions or referring you out to places I know that specialize in certain kind of niches in the space.

Maranda: 32:57

That’s beautiful and we have all of those links for you. So, if you want to go, take a look at Lindsay’s information and dive deeper into this conversation whether it’s for your personal use, whether it’s for your clients, who are asking you for this information you want to give them some really solid, evidence-based information, definitely. Definitely. Take a look at Lindsay’s information. It’s chock full and just so, so helpful. So thank you so much for sharing your journey and your story and getting personal and real and raw with us and really having such it’s kind of a taboo conversation. Right, it’s not something that we’re normally supposed to talk about, especially when it relates to motherhood, and so thank you for opening up these doors and allowing this to happen in this space.

Lindsay: 33:45

So of course. I feel like these are the things that bring us back into the village a little bit more. These are the things that maternal lineage would have passed down if we were still in the village and we would have learned how to use these medicines from each other. And people did, mothers did, for thousands of years, and now we’re so separated and so taboo. It’s like there’s immense evidence for the power that these psychedelics have in helping us be better humans and feel better and have better mental health. So anything I could do to support that I’m doing willingly and excitedly.

Maranda: 34:24

Yes, yes, beautiful. Thank you so much, Lindsay. I appreciate you. I am so grateful you turned into the postpartum university podcast. We’ve hoped you enjoyed this episode enough to leave us a quick review and, more importantly, I hope more than ever that you take what you’ve learned here, applied it to your own life and consider joining us in the postpartum university membership. It’s a private space where mothers and providers learn the real truth and the real tools needed to heal in the years postpartum. You can learn more at www.postpartumu. That’s the letter U.com. We’ll see you next week.